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        Yo diría incluso que son tres redes distintas que a veces se
        superponen unas a otras.<br>
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        <i>Sylvia en reparaciones, disculpe la demora</i></div>
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      El 01/08/12 22:32, Santiago Ferreira escribió:<br>
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cite="mid:CAHdwBF456frXugS7DuUSQeD2f2PvCo7LAiikXDzABLers=By-g@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">Reenvío email que me mando Ernesto, llego solo con
      copia a mi pero me parece pertinente comartirlo.<br>
      <br>
      saludos<br>
      <br>
      Santiago<br>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">---------- Mensaje enviado ----------<br>
        De: <b class="gmail_sendername">Ernesto Silva</b> <span
          dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:erniesilva@gmail.com">erniesilva@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
        Fecha: 31 de julio de 2012 19:44<br>
        Asunto: Re: [uylug-varios] Pregunta sobre enlaces CES<br>
        Para: Santiago Ferreira Litowtschenko <<a
          moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="mailto:santiago.ferreira@gmail.com">santiago.ferreira@gmail.com</a>><br>
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        Estimadísimo!!! cómo dice que le va?<br>
        <br>
        Te cuento que al menos en la parte informática con el CES, el
        Ceibal funciona como un organismo totalmente independiente. Con
        esto quiero decir que me sospecho que con la UTU ha de ser lo
        mismo.<br>
        O sea, son redes independientes, la del CES, la del Ceibal y la
        de UTU, todas separadas cada una con su acceso a Internet y
        demás. Es por eso que una anda rápido y la otra no, yo en
        principio no esperaría que las unieran, al menos a corto plazo.<br>
        <br>
        PS: Grande el FISL, lástima que hace unos años los proyectos
        personales me han impedido ir, ya veremos en 2013, ojalá se de,
        que tiempos aquellos... ja ja.<br>
        <br>
        Saludos,<br>
        Totonho.
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              2012/7/31 Santiago Ferreira <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                  target="_blank">santiago.ferreira@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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                Ernesto!!<br>
                <br>
                tenes contacto con la gente de sistemas de UTU?<br>
                <br>
                ceibal a instalado fibra en la escuela y la red ceibal
                anda bien, instalaron por estos lares sistemas de
                videoconferencia tambien y la red anda bien,<br>
                <br>
                pero la de UTU en si deja mucho que desear...<br>
                <br>
                abrazo<br>
                <br>
                Santiago<br>
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                PD: me acorde en este FISL de cuando fuimos con la
                caravana del Uylug... con Gustavo y demás gente, llindos
                recuerdos, te acordas? espero compartir otros momentos
                pronto, abrazo y que no decaiga!!<br>
                <br>
                Santiago<br>
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                <div class="gmail_quote">El 31 de julio de 2012 18:23,
                  Ernesto Silva<span dir="ltr"><<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:erniesilva@gmail.com" target="_blank">erniesilva@gmail.com</a>></span>
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                        Gracias Carlos, ya estuve por privado con
                        Arturo.<br>
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                        Saludos,<br>
                        Ernesto.<br>
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                        <div class="gmail_quote">2012/7/31 Carlos M.
                          Martinez <span dir="ltr"><<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:carlosmarcelomartinez@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank">carlosmarcelomartinez@gmail.com</a>></span>
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                                  Nosotros podemos llegar a ayudarles, e
                                  incluso aunque no fueran a hacer un
                                  deployment ahora, si ya lo piden a
                                  ANTEL eso les asegura que dentro de un
                                  tiempo no van a tener que hacer una
                                  migracion.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Si hay interes en hacer algo, nos
                                  pueden escribir a Arturo o a mi por
                                  privado.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  s2<br>
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                                  Carlos
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                                      <div>On 2012-07-31 6:09 AM,
                                        Ernesto Silva wrote:<br>
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                                      <blockquote type="cite">La idea se
                                        manejó durante unos 3
                                        milisegundos pero el resultado
                                        fue negativo porque la verdad no
                                        damos a basto, es un problema
                                        que mas allá de los aspectos
                                        técnicos del cambio en sí hay
                                        aspectos mas lentos de resolver
                                        como la capacitación de los
                                        técnicos del CES (en los que me
                                        incluyo porque la verdad estoy
                                        muy por fuera del tema) y de
                                        otros técnicos que nos dan
                                        soporte en el interior, cambios
                                        en los servidores, routers,
                                        negociaciones con Antel,
                                        mantenimiento de los 2 stacks
                                        mientras dure el cambio, etc.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        No daba para tanto, igual
                                        siempre está en la mira aunque
                                        no a corto plazo, no este año ni
                                        el que viene, hay otros
                                        proyectos que tienen prioridad
                                        porque como en todos lados
                                        tenemos que balancear entre las
                                        bondades de algo (IPv6 por ej) y
                                        la visibilidad de otra cosa
                                        (sistemas, conectividad, etc.)<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Saludos,<br>
                                        Totonho.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        <div class="gmail_quote">2012/7/30
                                          Arturo Servin <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="mailto:arturo.servin@gmail.com"
                                              target="_blank">arturo.servin@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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                                                </span>Temo la
                                                respuesta, pero,
                                                aprovechando la
                                                migración están poniendo
                                                IPv6?</div>
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                                              <div><span
                                                  style="white-space:pre-wrap">
                                                </span>Si la respuesta
                                                es no, me gustaría ver
                                                como puedo ayudar a que
                                                se ponga.</div>
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                                              <div>Slds</div>
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                                                    <div>On 30 Jul 2012,
                                                      at 18:14, Ernesto
                                                      Silva wrote:</div>
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                                                    <div>Te contesto
                                                      entre líneas, <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Saludos,<br>
                                                      Totonho.<br>
                                                      <br>
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                                                        class="gmail_quote">2012/7/30
                                                        Ismael Enrique <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ismael.uy2@gmail.com"
                                                          target="_blank">ismael.uy2@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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                                                          style="margin:0
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                                                          solid;padding-left:1ex">Muy
                                                          buenas:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Me gustaría
                                                          sabe a qué se
                                                          debe que en
                                                          los liceos de
                                                          CES la
                                                          velocidad de
                                                          Internet de
                                                          las salas de
                                                          Informática,
                                                          sea tan mala
                                                          que a ciertas
                                                          horas se hace
                                                          imposible por
                                                          ejemplo
                                                          chequear el
                                                          correo de
                                                          gmail.<br>
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                                                          Estimado, en
                                                          estos momentos
                                                          se está
                                                          implementando
                                                          un nuevo
                                                          convenio con
                                                          Antel y un
                                                          poco mas de la
                                                          mitad de los
                                                          enlaces del
                                                          CES ampliarán
                                                          su ancho de
                                                          banda en unas
                                                          20 veces,
                                                          igualmente
                                                          cambiará la
                                                          conexión a
                                                          Internet del
                                                          CES por una de
                                                          similar orden
                                                          de mejora.
                                                          Tenemos hasta
                                                          el momento
                                                          unos 30 liceos
                                                          ya con el
                                                          nuevo sistema
                                                          y según la
                                                          velocidad de
                                                          cambio de
                                                          Antel migramos
                                                          entre 2 y 5
                                                          por día. El
                                                          resto todavía
                                                          no sabremos
                                                          cuándo se hará
                                                          pero no creo
                                                          que demore
                                                          mucho, para
                                                          nosotros es
                                                          casi
                                                          transparente a
                                                          estas alturas,
                                                          dependemos 90%
                                                          de Antel.<br>
                                                          El nuevo
                                                          esquema prevé
                                                          también
                                                          reservas en
                                                          los anchos de
                                                          banda para
                                                          funcionalidades
                                                          específicas,
                                                          mecanismos de
                                                          seguridad y
                                                          almacenamiento
                                                          temporal
                                                          intermedio que
                                                          seguramente
                                                          mejorarán
                                                          mucho la
                                                          experiencia de
                                                          navegación por
                                                          la web por
                                                          parte de los
                                                          alumnos y
                                                          docentes.<br>
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                                                          solid;padding-left:1ex">Realmente
                                                          hay muy buenos
                                                          equipos, todos
                                                          con Linux,
                                                          pero de qué
                                                          sirven si no
                                                          se les puede
                                                          sacar el jugo?
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                                                        <div>Los equipos
                                                          buenos y con
                                                          Linux no están
                                                          en todo el
                                                          país
                                                          lamentablemente,
                                                          seguramente tu
                                                          vives en
                                                          alguno de los
                                                          5
                                                          departamentos
                                                          donde se
                                                          actualizaron
                                                          las salas de
                                                          informática.
                                                          Esperemos en
                                                          un futuro
                                                          poder migrar
                                                          el resto.<br>
                                                          Disiento
                                                          contigo
                                                          respecto a
                                                          sacarle el
                                                          jugo a los
                                                          equipos,
                                                          parece que los
                                                          alumnos solo
                                                          necesitaran un
                                                          navegador para
                                                          poder usar los
                                                          equipos. Qué
                                                          hay de los
                                                          programas de
                                                          matemáticas,
                                                          de química, de
                                                          astronomía, de
                                                          dibujo, de
                                                          gráficos, de
                                                          ofimática,
                                                          etc? no son
                                                          útiles. Yo
                                                          como cuarentón
                                                          que soy te
                                                          diría que
                                                          antes que usar
                                                          Gmail
                                                          aprendieras
                                                          ciencias
                                                          básicas y como
                                                          el equipo y el
                                                          software como
                                                          herramientas
                                                          pueden
                                                          ayudarte a
                                                          automatizar
                                                          algunos
                                                          procesos que
                                                          yo solía hacer
                                                          a lápiz, etc.
                                                          Ni que hablar
                                                          si a un
                                                          docente se le
                                                          ocurre
                                                          programar, me
                                                          parecería
                                                          genial, no
                                                          para que todos
                                                          supieran
                                                          programar sino
                                                          para que
                                                          vieran un
                                                          poquito de
                                                          resolución de
                                                          problemas, SIN
                                                          INTERNET para
                                                          no buscar y
                                                          encontrar
                                                          soluciones ya
                                                          hechas,
                                                          copiar, pegar
                                                          y no aprender.
                                                          Perdón si soy
                                                          un poco
                                                          agresivo, pero
                                                          me pareció
                                                          demasiado
                                                          simplista el
                                                          planteo de
                                                          sacarles el
                                                          jugo a los
                                                          equipos.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Saludos,<br>
                                                          Totonho.<br>
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